>From: leftover@lists.colorado.edu[SMTP:leftover@lists.colorado.edu] >Sent: Saturday, January 03, 1998 6:24 PM >To: Leftover Salmon Disc. List >Subject: LEFTOVER digest 811 > > > > LEFTOVER Digest 811 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) NYE > by mike ansolabehere > 2) Re: NYE > by MoonLad > 3) 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS > by Lance > 4) Re: 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS > by aftermid@sprynet.com (The Sunshine Kid) > 5) Re: 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS > by "Michael Armstrong" > 6) NYE notes > by epa@yellowpine.com (eric) > 7) Kezar Sound (was 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS) > by Jason Bryan Schwartz > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: mike ansolabehere To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: NYE Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:16:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The guest fiddler was none other than Darol Anger!!! Whispering Waters w/ Darol was a gem..... Shenandoah Breakdown w/ Darol (& Paul?) was another highlight... Some great interplay between Darol & Paul, just as Mike Kang & Paul do. Ever notice how much Paul can get his saxamaphone to sound exactly like a fiddle? Sorry about lack of details, but its all kinda blended together into one big clump... Apt q258 shure adds a different touch to Polyethniccajunslamgrass... I found myself wishing for the great WOO back there. Dont get me wrong, mr. Sipe has got some serious skills (i was in awe), it'll just take some getting used to... It was nice meeting all you kind folks these past few days... i'm off to ski some powder in CO. If anyone has any info on where Water Mountain & the Frozen Convulsion Boys are playing next week PLEASE email me at . Thanks, mike ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MoonLad To: "mansolab@earthlink.net" , "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Re: NYE Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved the Iko Iko into Brother John. I was very stoked because I called that as what theyt played, forgetting in my haze:-P that Iko->John was more of a Mardi Gras thing. I leaned over to my friend and said, "I take it back, I don't know what they'll play, I'm wrong," but there was that Dave Matthews blaring and he couldn't hear me. I said forget it and then it actualluy happened. "Yeah, see, uh nice call,huh?" A fun night. Peace, Deren ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lance To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:19:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks- While the NYE show was a rippin' affair in general, does anybody have the opinion that LoS' sound and presence has dramatically changed since July '97, with the addition of Jeff Sipe on drums? I mean, I have always loved Jeff Sipe, from his days with ARU, then H, L, & Sipe, but compared to the almighty WOO, I dunno...Their sound seems to be alot more "mainstream" than say 96-mid 97; Perhaps they are still promoting their new album or something cause ALOT of LoS faves (both originals and covers) were completely absent. Kinda seems like all they played was the album stuff. Drew pretty much played electric guitar the whole show, and Mark played the show sitting down (Mark seemed to limping and had to be helped on stage by a roadie-anybody know if he was injured or something?) Kinda seems like they scaled back their bluegrass repetoire. Given that though, LoS did pull off a great show, and did some amazing shit "Dance on your head" (Sipe rules on this one!), "Mama Boulet", and of course the "Aiko" jam session was UNBELIEVEABLE! I dunno, it was a great show, but they just don't seem like the same band....and a few folks nearby us who have been seeing them for a few years heartily agreed; Anyone? -L ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "aftermid@sprynet.com" To: "lance@seismo.unr.edu" , "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Re: 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:27:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I dunno, it was a great show, but they just don't seem like the same >band....and a few folks nearby us who have been seeing them for a few >years heartily agreed; Anyone? I'm probably not qualified to intelligently answer your post as I've only seen LOS twice (both late '97) I do have a few of their earlier shows on tape though. In any event, what makes bands like LOS so amazing and endearing is their ability to constantly evolve while still putting on a high quality, high energy show. The Dead is a band I am qualified to talk about. Listen to a mid to late '60's tape, then a 70's, 80's and 90's. Hard to tell that it's the same band playing. Their ever evolving music is one of things that kept me hooked on the Dead since '67 and it's also one of the reasons I'll be hitching a ride on the LOS bus for a long, long time. Peace and a wishes for a groovy new year and beyond, Bob Loewenthal ******************************************************* Check out my tape list at: http://members.aol.com/DarkStr723/index.html "Everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sun. Nobody's finished; we ain't even begun. So take off your shoes, child, and take off your hat. Try on your wings and find out where it's at." ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Armstrong To: "lance@seismo.unr.edu" , "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Re: 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:06:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 6:19 PM -0800 1/2/98, Lance wrote: >Folks- > > While the NYE show was a rippin' affair in general, does anybody >have the opinion that LoS' sound and presence has dramatically changed >since July '97, with the addition of Jeff Sipe on drums? I mean, I have >always loved Jeff Sipe, from his days with ARU, then H, L, & Sipe, but >compared to the almighty WOO, I dunno...Their sound seems to be alot more >"mainstream" than say 96-mid 97; Perhaps they are still promoting their >new album or something cause ALOT of LoS faves (both originals and covers) >were completely absent. Kinda seems like all they played was the album >stuff. Drew pretty much played electric guitar the whole show, and Mark >played the show sitting down (Mark seemed to limping and had to be helped >on stage by a roadie-anybody know if he was injured or something?) Kinda >seems like they scaled back their bluegrass repetoire. I too am adjusting to Sipe, who I agree is very good but does have a different feel than Woo. But I don't think that they've gone more "mainstream" or have radically changed their sound, and to assume such from the NYE show I think is jumping the gun a bit. To address some points: - Drew did play more guitar in the NYE show than usual, but I think this is because they had a guest violinist for most of the show, so Drew didn't play much (any? don't recall) violin. He did play a lot of mandolin in addition to the guitar though. - Mark was sitting down, but I don't think it affected his playing much. - The 2 decidedly non-bluegrass Beatles' covers (It's All Too Much and Tommorow Never Knows) were done I'm guessing at the suggestion of and to accomodate Vince Welnick, who sang lead and used to cover them with the Dead and (I think) Missing Man Formation. - They've played more "mainstream," less bluegrass-oriented shows in the past too. Consider the '96 High Sierra Big Top set - that show also featured a bunch of guests (Sam Bush, John Cowan, et al) and was even more rock-oriented than the NYE show, with Mustang Sally, 4 Allmans tunes, Love the One You're With, etc. (this is a great show btw - if you don't have it you should get it). - They did play a lot stuff from the most recent album, but many of these tunes (ie Better, Funky Mtn Fogdown, River's Rising, Mama Boulet) have been in heavy rotation since long before the album came out, and others (ie This Is the Time, Euphoria) have been in heavy rotation since they were introduced before the album as well. Not that this is a good thing - this is my one complaint about the band. Given the extensive repertoire of very cool stuff that the band has, I wish that they'd lighten up on the rotation of their heavier-played songs, and/or rework them like they did with Fogdown. pasta, Mike ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "epa@yellowpine.com" To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: NYE notes Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy all, I did not, unfortunately, get to the pre show meet at the Brew Pub. Sorry folks but I got caught up in the prep for the show. It was a little strange for all of us to be so far from home for New Year's Eve but BGP pulled off a great time for all: both in front and behind the stage! They sure know how to do it! Before the show, many of us where treated to some incredible picking backstage with the goal of the boys working out some tunes with all the guest musicians... Here's the musician guest list for those playing at home: Paul McCandless - lending his usual spirit and life to a variety of horns on a variety of SCI & LoS tunes. Vince Welnick - how do you argue with his incredible hammond/leslie playing - plus Geroge Harrison's "Tommorow never knows" The String Cheesers - the fellow Colorado contingent picking us proud! Baby Gramps - kayak a toyota kayak / sit on a potato pan otis Darol Anger - wow! he was the trump card of the night (I can see why he played with Grisman for so long) just incredible! I'd dare to say one of the best fiddle players around today! All in all, I was quite busy trying to capture a little bit of this incredible night with my still camera for the LoSer archives (check their web site soon for an update on my stuff). Other's will no doubt follow with set lists as I would estimate about forty decks where patched into the board that night - quite a scene! The band also multitracked the evening and perhaps some of that might make it to the taper's choice project. San Fran was such great fun and an awesome way to ring in '98! Hope to see y'all out there in the coming months - Happy New Year regards, Eric ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jason Bryan Schwartz To: Michael Armstrong Cc: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Kezar Sound (was 12/31 misc/the "new" LoS) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm, . . . . I'm not sure what to add to the NYE discussion, but I do have questions for others that were there. Does anyone else on this list think that the sound in the Kezar was horrible?? I know that everybody I talked to after the show agreed, but I've yet to see anyone on this list mention it. I don't want to dwell on it, and I don't want to take anything away from what others have said about the show, but I had a hard time getting past the ridiculous echoes and "muddy" sound in the building. Really not a great room for a concert. My other question is for those who taped the show. I heard a copy of the LoS sets on the way back to Eugene on the 2nd, and the mix was amazingly bad. There are many times where you can hear Vince call for someone to solo and then you hear almost nothing except the drum beat. Did everyone's board tapes come out like that?? How about the miches?? There were a lot of miche stands in the back of the building. Were any of those able to beat the echoes and come up with a clean tape?? Patiently waiting for the NW shows in a few weeks, . . . . . . . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ / "Stray dogs, and hungry people, / I think the solution is obvious" / -Ellen / /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Jason Bryan Schwartz Jschwart@gladstone.uoregon.edu http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/j/s/jschwart@gladstone.uoregon.edu.html http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~jschwart On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Michael Armstrong wrote: > At 6:19 PM -0800 1/2/98, Lance wrote: > >Folks- > > > > While the NYE show was a rippin' affair in general, does anybody > >have the opinion that LoS' sound and presence has dramatically changed > >since July '97, with the addition of Jeff Sipe on drums? I mean, I have > >always loved Jeff Sipe, from his days with ARU, then H, L, & Sipe, but > >compared to the almighty WOO, I dunno...Their sound seems to be alot more > >"mainstream" than say 96-mid 97; Perhaps they are still promoting their > >new album or something cause ALOT of LoS faves (both originals and covers) > >were completely absent. Kinda seems like all they played was the album > >stuff. Drew pretty much played electric guitar the whole show, and Mark > >played the show sitting down (Mark seemed to limping and had to be helped > >on stage by a roadie-anybody know if he was injured or something?) Kinda > >seems like they scaled back their bluegrass repetoire. > > I too am adjusting to Sipe, who I agree is very good but does have a > different feel than Woo. But I don't think that they've gone more > "mainstream" or have radically changed their sound, and to assume such from > the NYE show I think is jumping the gun a bit. To address some points: > > - Drew did play more guitar in the NYE show than usual, but I think this > is because they had a guest violinist for most of the show, so Drew didn't > play much (any? don't recall) violin. He did play a lot of mandolin in > addition to the guitar though. > > - Mark was sitting down, but I don't think it affected his playing much. > > - The 2 decidedly non-bluegrass Beatles' covers (It's All Too Much and > Tommorow Never Knows) were done I'm guessing at the suggestion of and to > accomodate Vince Welnick, who sang lead and used to cover them with the > Dead and (I think) Missing Man Formation. > > - They've played more "mainstream," less bluegrass-oriented shows in the > past too. Consider the '96 High Sierra Big Top set - that show also > featured a bunch of guests (Sam Bush, John Cowan, et al) and was even more > rock-oriented than the NYE show, with Mustang Sally, 4 Allmans tunes, Love > the One You're With, etc. (this is a great show btw - if you don't have it > you should get it). > > - They did play a lot stuff from the most recent album, but many of these > tunes (ie Better, Funky Mtn Fogdown, River's Rising, Mama Boulet) have been > in heavy rotation since long before the album came out, and others (ie This > Is the Time, Euphoria) have been in heavy rotation since they were > introduced before the album as well. Not that this is a good thing - this > is my one complaint about the band. Given the extensive repertoire of very > cool stuff that the band has, I wish that they'd lighten up on the rotation > of their heavier-played songs, and/or rework them like they did with > Fogdown. > > pasta, > Mike > > > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AEF.2C156EF0--