>From: leftover@lists.colorado.edu[SMTP:leftover@lists.colorado.edu] >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 6:24 PM >To: Leftover Salmon Disc. List >Subject: LEFTOVER digest 816 > > > > LEFTOVER Digest 816 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Oops! (was: Re: THIS IS IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ ME ! FCC > Screwing us) > by "Chris Tweedy" (by way of Sunshine Daydreams >) > 2) SHAGGY!!!!!!!!! > by Cheekweezl > 3) Baby Gramps!!! > by "Vic 'Lucky' Scopalitis" > 4) Eat The Fish.... > by da Flower Punk > 5) Tape Trading A Crime? > by Marc Blaker > 6) ISO John Levene > by "Daniel Ritchey" > 7) Fw: trade a tape and go to jail? > by "Daniel Ritchey" > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Tweedy To: "birdyyy@earthlink.com" , "aharder@coinstar.com" , "alwyrick@mercury.frcc.cc.ca.us" , "anirose@pacific.pacific.net" Subject: Oops! (was: Re: THIS IS IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ ME ! FCCScrewing us) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, everybody, this turns out to be an email virus. This is last year's news, and emailing the FCC (especially without a docket number!) will be pointless. I swallowed this hook, line and sinker, so I wanted to stop it before it spread any further. Peace, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Sunshine Daydreams To: allbut_nothing@juno.com ; Joanna L Goodrich ; ktdat@conch.net ; dcarlson@kmtt.com ; lainie@telebyte.com Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:21 AM Subject: Fw: THIS IS IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ ME ! FCC Screwing us >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:07:56 -0600 >Reply-To: "Chris Tweedy" >Sender: owner-leftover@lists.colorado.edu >From: "Chris Tweedy" >To: "Leftover" , >Subject: Fw: THIS IS IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ ME ! FCC Screwing us >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >Got this from another list; let's flood the FCC with mail on this! ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cheekweezl To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Cc: "SCI@NETSPACE.ORG" Subject: SHAGGY!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:29:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Shaggy, where are you man? i tried to send you e-mail and came back as a bounced server. hmmmm, hope you made it back from amsterdam in one piece... Jason, contact me man so we can set up a phatty trade my brother. dixie beer and crawdads, don ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vic 'Lucky' Scopalitis To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Baby Gramps!!! Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:53:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I am looking for a recent show that featured Baby Gramps, Seattle's best folk/blues/ragtime/popeye/zztop folksinger. The guy's really great. I have a list with plenty of everything to trade from. DAT/CDR/analog Jonathan ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: da Flower Punk To: LoSers Subject: Eat The Fish.... Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:41:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems medical researchers have proven what any Salmonyte could have told you.... Regular servings of the fish are good for the heart. Salmon was listed among those types of fish that should be part of your weekly diet to prevent heart disease. Something about the fatties and the acids..... :) Of course, I might be misquoting here, Tim tlynch@socrates.berkeley.edu "Gotta make it through January, gotta make it through February...." - Van Morrison ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marc Blaker To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Tape Trading A Crime? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:34:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Following is a post from Steve Silberman made on rmgd, rmp, & amb. His article is relevant to us all. Any questions about the article itself should be addressed to Steve (digaman@wired.com). later, Marc ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------- begin Steve's post ---------------------- Subject: Is Tape Trading on the Web a Crime? Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:03:03 -0600 From: Steve Silberman Organization: Deja News Posting Service I wrote an article for Wired News today that might be of interest to anyone who trades tapes on the Net, especially those who post their lists to the Web and accept cash instead of blanks and shows for trades - *even* when there is no profit involved. "Trade a Tape, Go to Jail?" http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/9532.html Let me emphasize that there's no need for panic, but the fact that the Recording Industry of America's Anti-Piracy Unit evidently considers 2-for-1 "newbie trades" a kind of profiteering should be news of interest to high-volume traders. Steve Silberman Senior Culture Reporter Wired News :: http://www.wired.com (my home page - http://www.levity.com/digaland/index.html) ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- end Steve's post ----------------- ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Daniel Ritchey To: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" , "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: ISO John Levene Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:52:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, John Levene, if you are out there, please drop me a line. Thanks, Daniel Ritchey Tapelist at http://www.simplecom.net/dritchey/tapelist.html ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Daniel Ritchey To: "phish@phish.net" , "phish@phish.net" Cc: "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" , "leftover@lists.colorado.edu" Subject: Fw: trade a tape and go to jail? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:19:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear the drums beating. They are closing in on us. Watch out for any newbie requests from DC! Take care, Daniel Ritchey Tapelist at http://www.simplecom.net/dritchey/tapelist.html > > >Compared to the March super-bust of 13 > > individuals in 12 countries on 40 counts of > > conspiring to manufacture and distribute bootleg > > CDs, the shutting down of a single Web site by > > the administration of a small East Coast university > > may seem insignificant. > > > > The implications of the shutdown, however - > > following a series of letters to the university by the > > Recording Industry Association of America - are > > causing ripples in the online world of tape traders, > > fans for whom a trickle of studio albums by their > > favorite artists isn't enough. > > > > Why did the RIAA single out this site - not much > > different from thousands of others on the Net, > > where traders post their "lists" in hopes of > > expanding their collections - threatening the site's > > owner with a five-year jail sentence and a > > US$250,000 fine for copyright infringement? > > > > Unlike several Pearl Jam fan sites shut down by > > RIAA threats in recent months, the site - which > > was run by a university staffer who asked not to be > > identified - never featured advance, unauthorized > > copies of studio releases. The site was devoted > > strictly to the trading of high-quality concert > > recordings, some of which were recorded by the > > staffer himself, a Bruce Springsteen aficionado > > well-respected by other online traders. > > > > His troubles began a few weeks ago, when email > > arrived from someone in Washington, DC, who > > said they wanted to conduct a trade. The > > particular kind of exchange requested was what is > > known in trading circles as a "newbie trade," > > newbie being the term for someone who is just > > getting started in the world of trading, and who > > thus usually cannot offer a swap of one show for > > another. > > > > Newbie trades often involve the trading of one live > > recording for one or two blank tapes, the extra > > blank being the payment for the trader's time and > > effort in copying the tape. Most traders, obviously, > > would rather enlarge their collections than trade for > > blanks, but when a trader's collection reaches a > > certain level of comprehensiveness, there's not > > much out there left to trade. At that point, many > > traders retire from the circuit, or only trade with > > other connoisseurs for extreme rarities. Other > > traders - wanting to give something back to the > > trading community - make the fruits of their years > > of hunting and gathering available to newbies. > > > > The university staffer says he spent up to 25 hours > > a week "spinning" tapes, many of them for > > newbies. The sheer volume of mail moving through > > his house - blank cassettes, self-addressed > > bubble-wrap envelopes, postage - became > > overwhelming. > > > > "People would send me boxes of 100 blanks and > > ask me to make them 50 tapes," he recalls. "I > > was trading with people all over the world." > > > > Finally, he decided to streamline the operation by > > asking newbies to send him $6 for one tape, > > instead of two blanks and return postage. He didn't > > make any profit, he says, and his wife was happier > > with the reduced volume of mail. "I thought I was > > helping everyone," he says. > > > > To the RIAA, however, a Web site proffering > > unauthorized recordings for cash, even with no > > profit margin, smells like a professional > > bootlegging operation. In the eyes of the group's > > Anti-Piracy Unit, the site was a "commercial > > operation." The staffer maintains that his site was > > run purely "to spread the music." > > > > The issue became even more complex in > > December, with the passage of the No Electronic > > Theft Act, designed to boost penalties for illegal > > copying of software and other intellectual property > > - including concert recordings and videos - for > > "financial gain." For traders, one particularly > > unsettling section of the law defines "financial > > gain" as "the receipt, or expectation of receipt, of > > anything of value, including the receipt of other > > copyrighted works." > > > > So is tape trading now illegal by definition - even > > trades where no money changes hands? > > > > Yes and no. Director Steve D'Onofrio says the > > Anti-Piracy Unit looks at the scale of trading > > involved. "One individual trading with one individual > > is not a problem," he says. > > > > The RIAA's position "has been to focus on > > commercial businesses where there is blatant > > copyright infringement," D'Onofrio says, singling > > out MPEG archive sites where unauthorized > > recordings are uploaded and downloaded directly > > from the Net - especially sites offering studio > > material before the release date. > > > > So can old-school snail-mail traders relax? Not > > quite. When a trader posts his or her list to the > > Web, D'Onofrio says, they approach the "very thin > > line" between commercial sites and > > non-commercial sites. > > > > In D'Onofrio's view, when a trader puts his list > > online, "then it's not just one person trading a > > tape. The entire world can get on the Internet. It's > > a much larger problem." The RIAA has also > > decided to target .edu sites, which it believes are > > hotbeds of copyright infringement and marketing of > > unauthorized recordings - "particularly universities > > that allow students to develop their own Web > > sites," D'Onofrio says. > > > > Thickening the plot, the RIAA regards newbie > > trades of one show for two blanks as a kind of > > profiteering. > > > > Most online traders, however, will not wake up > > tomorrow morning and find RIAA letters in their > > mailboxes, as that Springsteen collector did, > > which resulted in the university taking down his > > site and stripping him of his email address. > > > > D'Onofrio says the RIAA usually will not move > > forward with an investigation until it has a signed > > affidavit from the artist to do so. Though some > > artists discourage all trading of unofficial > > recordings, others - like Phish, Widespread Panic, > > and the Allman Brothers - encourage online tape > > trading as a way of building their audience. > > > > "Arguably, if there were no live tapes, people who > > wanted to hear Phish live would be forced to buy > > the albums. But the audience would be far > > smaller," observes Shelly Culbertson, ticketing > > and Internet manager for Phish, which has > > released two live albums in the past three years, > > despite the fact that there are hundreds of live > > Phish tapes available from traders on the Net. > > > > Culbertson believes the band is "actively > > accommodating" tapers and traders with special > > tapers' seats at concerts, and said that > > non-interference with fan Web sites like phish.net, > > has been "more effective, from a publicity point of > > view, than radio and MTV." > > > > Rich Breton, an online Springsteen trader with over > > 200 hours of live performances in his collection, > > thinks the RIAA should draw firmer distinctions > > between traders who are circulating the music for > > the love of it, and those who are in the game for > > profit. > > > > "When it comes down to newbie trades, there > > should be some sort of guidelines to allow > > personal use," Breton says. Most of the traders he > > knows make a "huge distinction" between > > pre-release copies of studio material and live > > tapes, he says. > > > > Besides, Breton observes, "Anyone I know who > > trades already has all the official releases, and if > > they're really into it, they even have the import > > CDs with special extra tracks." > > > > While the RIAA's D'Onofrio allows that small-scale > > traders have "not been a major issue up to now," > > he says, "the Net changes everything." > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1C63.D17ECC90--